Starting Hands by Position and Preflop Betting

Instructor:

PimpinDonks

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  • 16 min
  • Jul 12th, 2010
  • 3/5 (4 Ratings)
  • SNG

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Video Description

This video shows you what hands to play from early, middle and late position. This is based on what I have found to be the most profitable hands to play in these positions. You will also learn the most profitable preflop betting strategies for sngs in this video.

In addition, with the full version of this video you will gain access to a chart to print off, showing you all the hands covered in the video.

Comments

Have just finished this video. Thank you. I was expecting to find the link, you mentioned, to download and print the chart you referenced, but I don't see the link. Could you please email me this chart?

andym0097@gmail.com

Thanks,

Andy

16 min video ? and 2 credits and here just say hands preflop.. he dont said in that limits and in what tournament time to use them.. i am not wery happy.. it looks like u just whana get more people whats all. sory for english

Same comment as Andy...it is good business sense to deliver what you say. I can easily replicate a chart with the info but... You get my drift?

I will continue on with the series.

I have requesting the guys who run the site put it up.

Mark's starting hand chart is now available. The url is in the video description for people who unlocked the video.

TANX for the follow up. I hope my comment didn't come across as too snippy.

OK, a follow up question on starting hands. As the number of players on the table shrink how do we re-categorize early, middle and late position? It would seem logical to eliminate an early position for each of the first 3 "losers" Wink then repeat for middle as more are eliminated.

I suspect that at some point the chip stack size to blind size becomes more of a factor so once the fold or shove phase hits I doubt hand strength in its purist sense remains as important as playing the player/situation. But, I would still think it is highly probable that the first 3 eliminations can occur before stack to blind ratio becomes over riding thus my seemingly anal approach to the chart. Glasses

Yup, for a 6 handed table I just look at it as late and middle position.

For single table sngs I would use the chart for the early and middle stages of the sng. Once the sng becomes a push fold game you should start playing based on icm and the situation. So the chart is basically relevant for stacks of 15 BB's or more.

You talked about over limping being acceptable, but don't you think you should have covered what the maximum % of your stack you would put in. EX blinds are 500/1k and 2 people limp and you have a 7k stack.

If you have 12 BB's or less you should always just shove if you are going to play the hand. So I would only consider limping if my stack is 13+ BB's.

So u say u dont adjust your openingrange if ur stacksize shrinks from early stage to middle stage? Additionally where is the difference between playing 77 and 44 because u expand ur PP range with the middle pos. I thought u can play the pp mostly just for set value. Shure 77 has better straight propabilities, its less like to meet an overset and paired boards harm u less. I think the main reason is to hit overpairs but even that i cant imagine is that much of an advantage and still than it would be reasonable to fold the low pockets in mid position too.

If I still have 50 or more BBs I am going to keep playing the same ranges. There are many more differences between 77 and 44 than you mentioned. For example, when an opponent calls you with 55, 66 you have the best hand with 77. If they call with A5 or A6 and hit their lower kick your hand is good. Each ranking pair higher is worth more. This is just a guideline of hands I have found to profitable for me in sngs.

Ok that is true with the higher Pairs so u can win Pots against these hands if u dont have to pay for the tunr and river. But mostly u wont get these 2 streets for free OOP, so u have to give up the mid pair/low Pair which u hold with the PP. Or am I wrong with that. The Ace rag argument ist difficult too, because the difference from ur Range is max 2 Positions UTG+1 and +2 and these positions will only call if they are very deep with sutied ace rags so it should be a marginal difference too. All the suited baby aces up to 7 are 1.51% additional hand range on two players (the two additional positions) its 3%. Could u explain me that a little bit deeper Mark. I always play this hands up to 99 just for set value ( And shure if i hit overpairs or straightc etc.) and if that is a leak i would like to get rid of it.

I am sure there are players out there that play all pairs from any position profitably. So it can be done but you really have to be pretty good postflop to make it happen. These ranges are general guidelines for sngs. You can filter your hands in pt3 or hem to get small pairs from early position. If you are profitable over a large sample size keep doing it. If not I would stop playing them.

You said that you play these ranges with 50BB+. Can you give some ranges for 30-50BB and for 15-30BB? I have seen your videos on these stacksizes but it would be nice to have some ranges!
Thx

Hi PimpinDonks, i'm from Russia , and sorry for my language. I plays 45 SNG on fulltilt, and now have downstrics. But i want to aks you?
Say please what edge should be estimate in SNG WIZARD??? First when i use CHIPMODEL , and in final table when i USE ICM MODEL.
I use 1/10 of stack in chip model and i think the ranges of push are very tight.
I will expect your answer. Thank you for your videos and that you very good player.

With 30 BBs it is pretty much the same but maybe 3-5% tighter. So I am folding a few more of the speculative type hands. With 15 BBs I am raising with hands I am willing to call an allin with the majority of the time. I will raise a small percentage of hands and fold to a shove with this stack but I am only doing that about 20% of the time.

With most push fold scenarios I use a minimum edge of 0.1
You can be more aggressive than that but it will be a higher variance style.

He's asking what the edge should be set to in chip model.

Yes, please answer. And thank you for you answer.

In chip model what edge estimate?

I generally just use the default edge the program computes. If I think it is too high I will manually adjust it.

When your effective stack (measured in big blinds) is large, your Edge% generally needs to be large to reduce variance. When your effective stack is small, your Edge% generally should be small (or even negative) because you need to take even the smallest advantage.

When your effective stack is small and you are getting close to hitting the big blind, your Edge% should be even smaller (or even more negative) because you situation is becoming more disparate.

If you are looking for further information regarding this program the sngwhiz website has forums you can ask questions about the program.

Thanks for the great video Mark Smile
I bought myself credits on everything
I watch them with pleasure
Your great player
I am happy Can study from you Smile
sorry for the bad english but i am from Bulgaria Wink

Thanks mar7inim! Good luck at the tables

Hi PimpinDonks, thank you for the great videos. You mentioned overlimping as fine and you created a hand chart that mentioned what hands in late position you would open raise with. If faced with one or more limpers, do you over limp with all the hands you mentioned for open steal raising in late position? Hands such as 86o, Q9o, etc. ( I'm only speaking of hands you wouldn't raise limpers with ). Thank you.

Yeah most of the time I will over limp those hands in a multi-way pot. Sometimes folding them is ok too. I will mostly limp though and especially from late position. I am glad you like the videos.

I can't believe I purchased this guide. These video's are horrible and same goes with the strategies. I'm into 5 minutes of a video and already he has 15 pop up messages come up on his screen. After each pop up I'm ready to punch the screen. If you are looking to make money off this guide why don't you redue the video's and make them more professional. This hand chart is the most useless peice of garbage I have seen.

I'm fighting to get my money back on this one...If sharkscope doesn't give me back my money I will cancel the payment with my credit card or file I complaint with paypal.

I cannot find the link to the starting hands, where is this, i purchased and watched this video but nothing

It's listed under the video description, but don't laugh to hard at it like I did...you got ripped off...

Well everything I have watched has improved my game personally so im happy with it.

Yeah, im happy for the videos to. He said that for some experience players some of the vids wouldn't learn them that much, and some videos are more experienced. And since im a novice player im happy with it

is the chart down again btw? Found it before, to lazy to print out..and now I cant find it.

The link is right below the video description. I just tried it and it worked.

Have just finished this video. Thank you. I was expecting to find the link, you mentioned, to download and print the chart you referenced, but I don't see the link. Could you please email me this chart?

ricee@eircom.net

Thanks

Eamon Rice

The link is at the bottom of the video description.