Leakfinder with changethief8
Video Description
Changethief8 multi-tables 45 and 90 man sngs on Fulltilt. He is an up and coming star in online poker. He is a student from the 6 week training group I ran. We provide commentary on his play and you will benefit from seeing him play a winning style in these games as well as the mistakes that I point out. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes but if you make similar mistakes you can get those corrected here also.
Comments
Hey APLsue,
Thanks for the comments, and also including the times with your questions that made it very easy to find.
The pocket Q's hand was definitely a miss click. I accidentally checked the fold box, sometimes that happens when you are multi tabling and its unfortunate.
With the j2 hand, i don't think a shove is a terrible play. However i had been so aggressive blind vs blind against him, and with him only having around 5 big blinds i felt like we are very likely to get a call there. If i let him keep his big blind there, the next time around if i have to shove again, he should put a little more though into it before he calls me light.
The KQ hand i was about to shove but decided against it. The reason for that was because the player did seem inexperienced, its possible he will be looking me up with with a weak hand that he just isn't able to lay down like an At or small pocket pair. Also that is a bit of a risky play and at that point there were 4 other players at the table with similar stacks, so i felt that i had time to wait and pick a better spot to get it in with.
Thanks again and let me know if you have any other questions.
Hey AAron,
Thanks for the compliment! Me and Pimpin went over the hand a few times, and we definitely think shoving is an option there. In that particular spot though, we had a decent stack, and the small an big blind both had a bit less than ten bbs. If we were to shove that hand and lose, we will be on the verge of busting the tournament, and if we take down the blinds, it does not improve our position in the tournament that much. That was our reasoning behind choosing to take the more passive route for that hand. I see you at the tables a lot and like your game. If you want to talk more about the hand, or any other hands i would be glad to, just let me know. Thanks,
Changethief8
Hi Changethief8,
as far the SNGs you have played are concerned, I suppose these were not Turbo tournaments. Can you confirm that?
If so, I would like to ask you why aren't you playing Turbo tournaments? Is there any strong motivation to avoid Turbo tournaments? If you were to play turbo tournaments ,what would be the changes on the playing strategy?
Finally, if possible, could you explain better the shove strategy when you are on the button or on the SB with connectors, with a shorter stack? I understand the suckout equity concept. Yet, I do not understand how it applies to that specific situation. From my point of view, I suppose you are risking too much with a hand that is not that strong. On the other hand, taking into account your knowledge of the game, I am pretty sure that I am missing something here.
Thanks and good profit on your games.
Hey Fabrimo,
I would be glad to answer your questions.
The 45man tournaments that i play on Full Tilt are not turbo, for the stakes that i play, they do offer them in turbo. However, i do play the 90 ko tournaments which are Turbo. When i play a turbo tournament the main difference in how i play is that i shove a little bit sooner and wider when i am in position. For example, if i am on the btn with 9to with around 11-12bbs. Normally i would shove this hand if i had 10 bbs or less, but since its a turbo, and the blinds increase so fast, i want to try and accumulate chips earlier to prevent myself from blinding down so i would shove. The basic strategy stays the same, you just want to try and make your moves a little sooner.
The reason for shoving suited connectors, is that they generally play well against our opponents calling ranges. Our opponents usually need a strong hand to call an all-in with such as kq,kj,ak,aq,aj etc. So if we shove hands like a7,a6,a5,kt,k9, though these are stronger hands lets say then 78s or 89s, we are usually dominated by our opponents when they call. An example of the % would be if we are called by aj when shoving a7 we are a about a 73/27 underdog. If we shove 89s and get called by aj, we are only a 60/40 underdog.
Let me know if i did not explain it clearly ,and if you have any other questions.
Changethief8
Hi Changethief8,
As I suspected, there was a strong reason to go along with the connectors 
Now I have fully understood the whole idea and I do agree with it.
As far the turbo tournaments are concerned, I also got the message.
Thanks very much for the explanations and for the fast reply. I do hope that you go on making a lot of money on the poker tables.
Changethief8,
Excellent video and I would definitely like to see more. It is really nice to see that there are people who play solid and win, especially on the Internet. Even better though is to see someone else play solid and not win, just to help understand that it really does happen to the best of em.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on situations and your explanations were spot on. I learned a lot and look forward to using it at the tables.
Tell Mark I said "What Up"...
Hello Changthief8,
It was a great experience for me to watch your video !
I have some questions if you may.
13:42 with 98s - What stack size would you begin to shove there?
29:00 with A5s - You talked about a shove with 85s the hand before, why is
this a fold?
30:20 with 77 - Would you also shove there with a 7000 chip stack?
34:00 with ATo - You had 8bb, when antes are in play, and you are bb next hand.
Is this a boarder line fold, and you begin shoving with ATs?
36:23 with 65o - Against a 36% VPIP player, would you still shove with any two?
Thanks a lot for the video and time.
Hey EYAl1,
I would be glad to answer the questions for you.
13:42- I would say about 4-5BBs...we still have 7..and have a little bit more time to find a better spot.
29:00- I would have shoved with the 58s had it been a unopened pot. The reason for folding the a5 is that the player in front of me had already opened just like the previous hand, and with my stack size, i have no fold equity once he comes in for a raise, and my hand is dominated most of the time.
30:20- Yes, with 7k i would still not be guaranteed to make the money, so i am still playing for the win and 77 might be the best hand for me to make a move with and pick up chips.
34:00- Yea it is pretty borderline, i would shove aj there, but because we have so many players to go through it makes it a close spot.
36:23- Yes. In that situation the stat i am more looking at is Fold to Steal, which on the hud i was using for the video is marked by "FS". If his Vpip and RPF % were both absurdly high, then i might tighten my range just a tad bit.
Hope that helped and let me know if i can answer anything else for you. Sorry it took so long to reply, i have been traveling and haven't had much time on the computer lately. Good Luck,
Changethief8
Hey Roady101,
It just depends on what games i feel like playing that day. If i feel like playing the 45 player mtts...i just continue registering until i have enough tables up. If i am playing large mtts, i just select the games i feel like playing, i dont use a tournaments locator or anything like that.
I just signed up and there is so much information here. I would love to go through a 1 week tutorial myself!! Anyway, you play a lot of tables at once, and I tend to play 2 tables at a time, shifting my focus between tables every 3 -4 hands so that I can write good notes on people.
Are you able to keep track of these people's play style etc. if you're playing the number of tables you play? Are you basically lowering your ROI and raising your returns through sheer volume and blind solid play (by this I mean just playing formulaically solid without paying attention to individual patterns).
Thanks!
Hey Horology,
Multi-tabling is definately a give and take. As the amount of tables you add increases the amount of detail and attention you can give to individual players is going to decrease. There are programs like Holdemmanager/pokertracker that are great tools to help you in determining a players basic style (tight/agressive/passive etc). By playing more tables we are lowing are ROI but increasing or profits through volume like you said. The most important thing to consider is the hourly rate you are making and find the balance that you can strike the best hourly rate at. I hope this answered your questions. Good Luck,
Changethief8
Hi, Im a 45/90man reg also and I tend to shove a little wider than you when shortstacked. for example at 50.36 you fold a7os utg with 1140 chips where blinds are 150/300. Plus another time you folded QJs in mp with 6 bbs and you folded j9s on the button with 2400 and blinds 120/240 and antes . I would have shoved all these. Do you think I am shoving too wide or are these just marginal spots where either play is ok...
Hey Dakilla,
I think you shoving a little wider range is no problem. Everyone's styles are going to differ a bit. With the A7o hand, i can go either way, the reason i leaned toward a fold in that spot, was only because the table was still so full. We were still 8 handed and decided i wanted to wait and go through the blinds and try to pick up chips. Im not sure where the qj hand is but it sounds like it definitely should have been a shove. The j9 hand would really be dependent on who is in the sb and bb for me. If it is a Reg who maybe knows i am shoving wide, i might tend to tighten up a little bit and not shove this hand. If i have a few inexperienced players to my life i think it definitely can be a shove. Like i said though, there is nothing wrong with shoving a bit of a wider range, you can be profitable playing a number of different ways. Hope that answered your question and good luck!
Changethief8
Hey Vinkl,
I started with a really small bankroll and just built it up and built it up. If you are a winning player, $1000 would be enough to start playing the $10+1 45 mans. If you know you are a winning player, you can decide if you want to mix the games or just make the complete jump. If you want to mix the games, you can start doing that when you have 100 BI's of what your average BI will be. If you want to just make a complete jump, i would wait until you have $2400 (100 BI's) to make the move. This was the method that i used, but everyone is different. Some players are going to be more aggressive with their bankrolls, and try and take shots early on maybe with only 50 BIs, and some are more conservative and will wait til they have 200 BIs. It's going to be up to you and what you are comfortable with. Also, know that the lower your ROI is the greater your losing swings will be. So know your limits and capabilities to prevent ever having to go broke. Hope that helped, and let me know if you have any other questions. Good Luck!!
Changethief8
Thanks for the vids guys, incredibly helpful and insightful. A few spots that I have questions around and that have not been commented on yet..
45m AQ early stage limp behind 2 UTG limpers - considering a multi-way limp pot like this, you have to be prepared to give the hand up even on a TP kind of flop if you run into too much resistance right? I don't think you can allow yourself to play for a biggish pot in this spot?
50m AJ button steal - I would tend to call here for the reason Pimpin mentioned (opponent having too high of 3bet %) but also that I grossly misrepresent AJ with the smallish raise. I mean, with the full range of hands I would be willing to pick up blinds in this spot, AJ would figure to be somewhere near the top. As well, the BB's shove only constitutes about a third of our stack.
1h26m 84o in SB - I guess you shove here any two if folded to you? Especially considering the BB isn't that big of a stack.. he'd need a solid hand to call off with.
Hey Vladonpoker,
I apologize for taking such a long time to respond, I was doing a little traveling at the end of April/through the beginning of May and have not been doing much on forums. So again, sorry about that.
You are definitely right about the aq hand, its an early stage in the tournament where most of the players are pretty deep stacked. I'm not looking to play a pot here for all my chips with top pair top kicker, Im really looking to flop a huge hand like trip qqs, 2pair etc, or win a small pot if i hit an ace on axx flop.
Completely agree with you on the AJ hand, i believed i answered previously somewhere here that i think that was a bad fold, also in the video pimpin corrects me with that decision and i agree. Dont know why on earth i made that fold at the time. Still kind of cant believe i did that lol.
The 84o hand is a definite shove if folded around to me, especially considering the stacks like you said. Also i only have 4k chips, the next shortest player has over double that, so i cant sit around its definitely time to make any move i can.
Hope that helped, let me know if you have any other questions.
Changethief8
Hey St_Solo,
Sorry it took some time to respond, as i mentioned in the previous post, i did some traveling and this is the first time im getting back to anything on the forums.
With the a9o hand calling isn't an option for me there. If i call, im committed to calling the bbs shove. So i would just need to shove over the btns shove, which now looking at that hand, it probably would have been the best decision. I am definitely ahead of the btns opening range, and bvb i am ahead of the BBs range as well.
Its hard to be able to say when any specific person is a winning player. I think you need to analyze your results, based on volume, and determine that for yourself. It will also depend on what you consider a winning player, do you want to do this as a source of income? Or do you just want to know if you are +ev in the games that you are currently playing. A lot of this might have to do with confidence as well, if you are currently playing $5 games, and winning at a small %, although winning, you might not be sure if you will be a winning player at the higher levels. However if you are showing a positive ROI over a large sample of games, you should be confident in knowing you are a winning player. Keep in mind even the best of us go through long stretches of break-eveness, or losing, so volume is key! Hope that helped and let me know if you have any other questions.
hello,
i have some quiestions, first, i saw a pocket Q been folded (minute 24) with no previus raise, i must assume its a miss click. then, theres a hand where u folded J2o playing 3-handed on the small blind (minute 55), u where short stack and so does the big, i would shove there, idk if that would be a good play. also, u folded KQ (minute 76) to a guy that limps before u and he seams to be limpin a lot, u had about 9BB and there was only 3 players left to talk, would it be standart to shove there? since the limper looks very donkey player to me.
i liked the video, nice work, i've learn a lot of diferent things about ur videos. like shoving with suited connectors or foldin an all in from a short stack 3-bet that is very tight with hands like KQ, i would called and hope he had 10s or Js, i would never done that before.
good work guys.
PS:Sorry if my english is not the best