Are there any big winners in those? Can they be profitable enough to beat the rake at higher limpits where the donks playing Ax are much fewer?
basicaly im wondering if there would be any point in learning thsoe instead of regular 9-man SNGs?
Yeah, think youÂŽre right about that. The variance seems simply outrageous.. thank you for answering!
The superturbos are ALMOST just about luck(if i am correct you are talking about ST with 300 chips,right?) so why would play start playing with 10 bb when you could start playing with 50-75bb?
I don't think they are profitable in the long term...
The Super Turbos on Fulltilt are very beatable. I've played approximately 4K at the cheeseburger and double cheeseburger stakes for an above average ROI . Which works out great when games are only having you invest no more than 20-25 minutes each.
Variance swings aren't as bad as you'd believe, my worst cooler was approximately 7 or 8 games.
Just play solid ABC poker, pick your spots, and above all play multiple tables. These are not an SNG that you can play single table without tilting.
I like to play 12 at a time, however I started with 4 tabling. The payout pays so that 1 first place cash will pay back 4 entries. If you can get two seconds or a first and third in a 4 game set you make a profit.
Also when you go on a heater and place 1st 4 times in a row at the $3 stakes you are pulling in a $45 profit in 20 minutes. My best heater ran approximately 18 cashes in a row with 10 1st and 8 seconds at the double cheeseburger stakes. I'd suggest playing atleast a thousand or two at the 3 limit before moving up though. I've chosen to stay out of the nosebleeds in this case because the games are actually much looser and less profitable.
If you want to know more just ask. I enjoy the super turbos, then again I enjoy unorthodox games such as the Double or Nothings on Pokerstars where I have been crushing at the $100 DoN's for about 2 years now.
Edit: Also the rake isn't even a factor. Every Sup. Turbo has below a 10% rake which will make up for the variance that you experience. I'd say give it a shot and see how it goes. Fun fast paced games. If you have rakeback on your account then the rake all but dissipates when you put in a large sample.
Here we go print screened my tournament history from my fulltilt promotions page.
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Decided to give the $3.80's a run to prove they can be beat.
Spent $83.60 to play in 22 $3 Sup. Turbos for $189 in prizes. That is a profit of $105.40 in the span of about 4 hours of play. As you can see...took a slight break in there to go out to eat and didn't table too heavily since I was focusing on cash games then. But that is 4 and 5 tabling for a few hours. This is a slightly above average run at these stakes. Usually I profit about $60-$80 over 22 tables.
For someone with a small roll or someone who just wants to try and get in a lot of games for the Iron man qualifications every month super turbos are perfect.
Would have shown higher stakes, but the point was to prove these are beatable at the $3.60 buy in. There ya go.
Super turbos can annihilate your bank roll if u get pissed off i.e. go out first hand and load up another go out first hand again and repeat until you've lost a ridiculous amount in a short space of time.
I play them far too much and wish I could stop. Especially when I start loading up $14 ones whilst I'm playing a $10 or $20 SNG. Makes my SNGs pointless if I don't cash in the superturbo.
Having said that there is some "strategy". Like mentioned above u can ABC a lot. And 99% of the time until late stages the only move is shove or fold as standard raising is ridiculous and if someone shoves u will have to call.
But yeah definitely avoid multi way pots. Like I'd fold AJ with 3 all ins in front of me even though AJ is really strong with this amount of chips. Similarly I'd pass most mid aces early to mid as some1 else will happily push and probably beat u with like KJ.
Overall a bit of fun if u play the ones u can afford to lose and u can get a good return if u do well in a few. But the scary thing is on FT they have 45 man super turbos where only top 6 are paid.... dear god I've tried one and they are mental.
Here are some basic strategy tips on crushing these...won't give away too much info for free, but am willing to share since the fields are filled with such nonregs that I doubt giving away tips will hurt me too much:
1.) Never play any Ace lower than AJ unless you are shoving from SB in an unraised pot. If there is a limper in early position just limp AJ if you are in middle to late position, usually they are either holding a monster or some bullshit like 89 suited...this also gives you the chance to get away from the hand if a shove comes in from a later position and that limper calls. If no one raises and you don't hit the flop you can get away. Limping only means 3 things in Sup. Turbos ((monster, 55+, or two suited connectors))...if you don't touch the flop feel free to see another hand.
2.) Don't worry about stealing until at least the 3rd level. Never EVER shove from SB with ATC in the first two levels, trust me when I say that will prove to be -EV and just isn't worth risking your chips so early on for 30 or 40 more. Also don't be so quick to defend your blinds with anything less than a pocket or K10+ or A2+.
3.) Any time you see AQ+ or any pocket 99+ shove from any position. If there is already two shovers in the pot lay down AQ and 99 and play only premium AK and 1010+.
4.) Here is a tip some may scoff at, but if there are three shovers in a pot and you are in late position with AK....just fold. Trust me when I say a 4 way all in pot usually means two decent ace hands ((AK, AQ)) a KQ or KJ and a pocket pair....and with those odds you just don't hit often enough to make that call +EV...that is unless you have already doubled up once and can afford to call without being knocked out.
5.) Be aggressive when you get 1K chips plus. Always min raise in position on the medium sized stacks and move all in on the shorter stacks from either the button or SB with Q10+ K9+ A2+ and any two pockets. Shorter stacks will usually call with ATC and medium stacks will usually fold to a minraise ((in which you aren't risking too many chips)) to try and beat the money bubble.
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I could literally go on all day, but then I might create a field that would actually know how to effectively play these. Try what I said out...if you like it work on your game and consider this the best free advice you ever received.
SuperTurbos are NOT luck and deffo profitable, basicly the ICM play comes in a littl bit sooner thats all.
I started playing these sngs a month ago and find them very profitable. The problem is that I have only played about 1000 and dont know what I can expect in the long run. My ROI is about 11% and i have mostly been playing at the $20 stakes. Im also quite new to sngs in general, but have played profitable poker for a long time.
Is there someone here that played like 5000+ and have a steady ROI? And what ROI can you expect in the long run for these? And how many do you need to have played til the ROI is relevant? Maybe I just ran good 
1,205 $1 $15 3% $1,150 Hot N/A FullTilt Spd=ST
This is my record in superturbo and I was about $800 down before i started basically playing only them about 6 weeks ago, 1 table at a time.
hi friend dont play that.when i start i play about 2000 sits and a lot of variance a lot of, and i can only do about 0,5$ profit.If it is ok for you ok, but play better if you can other things