Shipley
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This is the situation that always makes or breaks me!

6 people tournament and I'm sitting comfortably with say 2000 chips and the blinds are 50 100. I pick up AQ, I min raise because I don't want the big stacks to put me to a decision for all my chips. It folds round to the small stack who has 1000 chips and they shove. It's typically a coin flip or 60 40 (if I had something like AJ).

Now if I call and win I'm big chip leader and I usually cash. If I call and lose then I'm the short stack and my tournament life will probably need a bit of luck. If I fold I risk people not respecting my raises.

Thoughts?

CYCLOPEAN_0
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the blinds are still small enough to withstand a flip. However there is no shame in folding. Im assume you play rather tight. If this is so than the other players will pick up on that. deciding to call or not depends on a few things. The other players rep, how many players are left, blinds, stacks...If you think there is a good chance he has a marginal hand like KQ or AJ or even a weaker ace then make the call. If he is tight its likely he has a pair then decide weather to flip or not..Personally id rather pick a better spot than a flip.

Shipley
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I usually play the turbo tournaments so the blinds soon jump to 75 150 leaving me with an m of less than 5 if I go down to 1000 chips. I don't particularly play a tight game, I pick my spots and take my chances. I'm more than happy to shove regardless of my cards if I sense a bluff.

Thanks for the reply, maybe folding if the blinds are small enough but call at the next level when you can't hang around?

yankeefanx23
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I think its a fold here. Not sure what position you were in, im assuming late. AQ is rarely up against AJ or worse in this spot. At least a coin flip. Unless you have a resteal read on your opponent. Even so, better to save the chips for a better spot with 18bb still remaining as oppposed to flipping for half your stack.

As far as people not respecting your raise. Sometimes a min raise has that perception regardless. Sometimes it looks like a strong hand like AA or KK but most of the time it looks like a weak steal attempt that basically is giving everyone the right odds to call. A good player in position may take advantage of that as well because you're building a pot for them.

I think min raising then calling off half your stack to a reshove with AQ would be worse for your table image.

pharreal87
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always call in this situiation. always.

pharreal87
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if you are afraid of losing flip or 60/40 because you know what your chip stack could be then you need to work on your game with playing with 10bbs at this blind level, you are down, but you aren't out. plus you want to try and become chip leader to have better chance of winning. 1st place and not second.

ipp2
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Hah...min raise AQ? then you wont call from a small stack which is probably shoving with AJ or less?

Call you donk. Seriously.

And stop rasing AQ the min. Raise it 2.5x-4x.

Sheesh.

Alex Burlton
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Minraise is fine given effective stack sizes. Raising 2.5x-4x makes basically no difference if opponents are mostly going to be deciding to shove OTT or fold to your raise, lol. Way to bash this guy with blatent lack of understanding yourself, though, GJ.

I would agree, though, that this is a snapcall. I mean, wut? 50/100 blinds, the guy with the 1k stack is pushing a range that you're likely crushing with AQ. Idk what stakes you play but youve also got to factor in idiocy - what makes you think the guy is shoving it in tightly here? Your minraise can and will be interpreted as a steal a lot of the time and he could probably be sticking it in with ATs+, 22+ or even worse depending on how bad he is. Im not even sure ATs would be a terrible shove from him, depending on your image etc.

Call it. If you flip and lose there's no need to be frustrated about it - you still have chips which you can play effectively with good shove/fold knowledge; and in the long term its a play with positive expectation so you can expect it to come off more often than not. I think the main issue here is probably ROT on your part, there's no real reason to be squeamish just because sometimes you'll lose a flip and be on a short stack yourself.

henrypaulc
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If u raise more its insta call. Id suggest raise more if u want to go with it, gives u better odds. If u dont wanna see ur chips in the middle you should be folding really with a 20bb stack. Jam em in people are so bad remeber that Smile

Shipley
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Cheers for all the comments. To answer some of the questions:

I play $220 6 man turbos typically

Personally I wouldnt raise 2.5 - 4 times the blind in this spot. If I get shoved on by a big stack then AQ is not the hand I want to be putting my tournament life on.

I min raise a lot in sit n go's it disguises my big hands and I can get in cheap with suited connectors etc. Also like yankeefan says people often get scared of the min raise and fold the blinds. I think as long as your consistent and dont vary the raises when you have a monster this works very well.

I know the BB should always call in terms of odds but you have the advantage of position.

Playing 10BB i am happy with but in a turbo the blinds soon jump to 75 150 and that doesnt leave you with too many options at 6BB

I have a decent ROI at this level so I think the calling play is the right decision, I very rarely fold in this spot but its always good to get a few more perspectives!

The Viper 00
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I see what you are saying with the min raise to a point, but I think with the situation you described your hand does look a lot like exactly what it is to players who are paying attention. You have a pretty strong hand and feel like you should raise, but you don't want to commit too much. As I said, it really looks like exactly what it is, but as for the big stacks shoving back at you...If that happens i'd probably lean towards laying it down and waiting for a better spot. If however, the guy with 1,000 pushes, I think you really do have to call. You made the point about the blinds soon going up in a turbo and putting pressure on players, well, the guy with 1,000 knows that too. With that in mind, I think you are comfortably ahead of a large portion of his range here, and dominating some of those hands too (namely K,Q and smaller aces). If you are ahead and your hand holds, you have a great chance to push on towards the win.
If you are wrong and you are either flipping or in bad shape, you still have the chance to win and go on towards the win. Worst case scenario...you lose and are down to 1,000 which isn't on life support by any means, it just means you are going to have to get busy soon after.
All players are different of course but to me, it wouldn't be that much of a difficult decision once the 1,000 stack shoves- I'd call.
Just as a thought in terms of his ranges of hands, you might actually expect if he had the worst hand possible for you (A,A)....many players would actually probably bump it up to about 600 rather than shoving as he desperately wouldn't want to force you out preflop.