What do you guys think of them? Do you think you can make solid money on them? Im kinda new but have found some success on the $5 DoN's. However every time i try to move up i get hammered. You can check my chart...tell me what you think.
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DoN's are ok. Expected ROI is about the same as turbo STTs. But the variance is much lower in the DoNs. Jennifear has a good article about 'em on P5s. Pretty simple strategy, vary formulaic, much like a satellite.
I think one big concern is to avoid the tables filled with regulars. But by the same token, you'll be looking for opponents that are playing>12 at a time, cause you're gonna be attacking their blinds with ATC.
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Thanks guys...Ive been on a small cooler but i think they are good. When do you think i should try and move up in buyins...Like just to 10-20-50 if at all and how should i transition to them? Also how many should i be playing at once....i like 3 but it doesnt seem like a high enough number...i tried 8 but i could not concentrate at all and did poorly.
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definitely start with 3 tables until you are really really comfortable then start adding tables, it takes time to get used to playing so many. if you want to play it safe i would say to have like 50ish buy ins to move up to the next level, that is pretty tight but you would have a hell of a time going broke using that. just make sure you are killing the stakes you are at then you can move up.
The DoN's are seriously boring the shit out of me..At my rate i feel like i will need to play 10000 just to make a decent profit...You can look at my chart its CYCLOPEAN_0 on PS...im only up like $160...and i have played like 600 of the $5 DoN's...Anyone have any suggestions on other games or just what i should do in general?
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yea i mean u are probably going to average like 25 to 35cents a game or something in these at that level which kinda sucks. just depends how many you can play at once and what your roi is for these. either move up a level or learn a new game.
$3.25 45's you can average close to $1 a game if you are good at them.
anything at that level is going to be beatable its just a preference thing.
That's 5%...pretty much what is expected from DoNs. That's why the people that grind 'em, are usually playing>20 at a time. You're pretty much just 'push-botting' in these so they're easy to multitable...not quite the thrill of taking down a 45/90 man SNG, but it's a steady, low variance method to grow the BR.
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the only $5 i play are DoN's...does this mean im doing well on them? Im trying to understand this chart.
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so far you are doing very well in $5 DON's if that is all you play at $5 level. 13% roi is very high for these. how many have you played?
don't feel like embedding all of this info right now but you have played
473 $5 don's and are averaging 15% roi, 81cents a game profit. you are doing very well at the $5 don's.
Yea i know i have played a few of them....so i should keep playing those i guess? they just get so boring sometimes...i feel like i wanna switch it up.
judging from your other buy ins it looks like you aren't doing well at anything else but that could be because you haven't put much time into them either. you could try and switch it up.
DON's are boring at times but if you are making money you are making money. you could play more $5 don's and move up in stakes to $10's but if you are bored of them then you could try 6/9 person sngs or even branch out and try 45 persons or 18 persons or something like that, if you aren't doing well then switch back to don's to boost your roll.
Yea i have not given any other tourny the kinda time needed. Im sure you can look at my stats..Mostly i screw around and piss away a lot just messing around...When i actually focus im a pretty good player. I think what also helps is that i only play 3 $5 DoN's at a time..perhaps i can try more.
Yea i have not given any other tourny the kinda time needed. Im sure you can look at my stats..Mostly i screw around and piss away a lot just messing around...When i actually focus im a pretty good player. I think what also helps is that i only play 3 $5 DoN's at a time..perhaps i can try more.
If 3 is working out for you, Great. if you start to feel bored while you are playing them add one more game. for the most part it should be fold fold fold fold fold so you don't have to do much until 7/6 guys left.
that was my biggest thing when i first started, i got bored playing one table so i just added to 2 and 3 and 4 and now i can get bored with 20tables if i am only focusing on playing poker. thats only when i play DON's but you can get the idea.
So once you think you are doing really well with 3 tables i would move to 4. then slowly build from there.
$/hr is more important than $/game, just make sure you are comfortable with what you are playing
I only like to play 2-3 sng du's at a time. Unless you plan on playing on auto pilot and not making reads and just playing your cards, playing any more than that is gonna cost you. There are plenty of donks out there making bad plays and the only way to exploit them is to play fewer and make good reads than to load up on 8 or more at a time.
the thing about double or nothings tho is that playing on autopilot for the most part is the best way to go. trying to make plays is not the smartest thing. just hang back, play tight, and get it in good. obviously finding a few reads here and there will help your roi a bit but remember its all about $/HR
well whatever works best for you, i seem to be doing pretty well........when i do add tables I'm not as profitable as with fewer tables.
small sample size, 22 games, but is a 55% roi over the long run possible? after 100 games what do you think it will be?
There is no way you will be able to hold 55% in the long run. Be happy with 10-15
and be happy with holding that
22 games isnt even a sample size, come back when u played over 1,000 games off those. But have to say ur start is amazing 55% at $200 DoNs? Thats $100 profit a game u play, so multi 24 tables and u be Isuldir2 next week 
I've not played enought DONs to know for sure but it seems to me that the increase in skill level in DONs increases more dramatically as the levels go up. I.E. the difference between a $10 and $20 DON is greater than going from a $16 to $27 STT.
But I'm not sure if that's just because I've been semi-pro at the turbo STT's for a little over 3 years (I should be a baller but I'm lazy and don't play enough,) and I've not given the same level of thought to DON strategy.
Any opinions on this? Is it just me, or has anyone else with a lot of experience with turbo 9-18 STTs and DONs noticed this?
DON's are very tough
I play the 11 dollar standard speed DoNs but I also play a regular STT at the same time. I find the DoN's easy enough to play but not worth the money on there own. So I play a regular 11 STT and if I loose I get some of my money back from the DoN that I am playing which is much easier to play and win. So too just play DoN's on there own for me is not worth the time and effort but they are still worth playing for sure.
i see this all of the time online and i don't know why... maybe stupid or possible just from other countries and don't know but...........................
Loose= wide range of hands played, women or sluts, bad player(sometimes)
Lose= don't win.
Thanks Mr. Smart Ass you always a dick? Or is this just your way of making friends? 
i've been playing all don turbo sng $5 and $10 for the past 1000 games.
for me the more tables I play the better I do. I usually play 12 at a time and pretty easy to keep track of. I play in 4 hours stints and then take a break, and get another 4 hours in. ROI is 3.2%. Not great, I feel that I still have some holes in my game.
As mentioned above keep it tight and get it in good based on a combination of your hud read, number of players left, and stack sizes. Typically players with solid hud stats don't move in with garbage unless they are short stacked, and even then they tend to wait for a quality hand.
One thing I noticed is that if I fold all my small blinds early on and basically never play a hand that when I do have to move in with less than optimal holding I tend to get called less. Other players with hud see your stats all will think twice about call you with A7, or if they are just regular players they will notice that you have been playing very few hands.
So, folding A9 early in the tourney to the big blind and losing 15 chips has the possibility of earning you a lot more later on when the person on the left has received some gifts from you early on. This is just my opinion. What do you guys think?
Also, I found that in the first ten hands most casual players often think you are bluffing. I've found most to be calling stations at that stage and if I hit something good I make lots of value bets. Even huds on a new player with just a few hands of history can be very telling if say of the 7th hand the player has a VP of 57 and raises or flat calls from early position with only say...900 chips left. I find that I can often get the rest of their chips with a quality hand. BUT don't try to bluff then and if you raise and miss the flop often they will go all the way a very weak holding.
they are still definitely profitable, you just need to figure out the right strategy and put in a lot of time studying and playing.