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Hey everyone,

Ok so i have opened up a new profile due to getting a new computer and wanting to take advantage of the 888.com 'invite a friend' bonus.
Only prob is like before i need to start building up my stack so I am starting with the easier games earning less money...but whether i've lost my mojo or they are playing recklessly i don't know, however I'm getting beat more often than winning. I've tried all types of games and i don't feel like i'm having much luck at all!!
My cards are continuosly bad or definately not strong enough to forever go all in, like these guys want me to. I need help because I feel like I've lost all confidence.

Does anyone have any tips or suggestions?? Any one had the same problems before and are through it now?? Or any advice on good reads etc....Please help!!
Thanks xxx

pinkpantherr
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You should find one type of game/structure you like, whether it my be cash games, mtt, stt and study a lot on that game, learn bankroll management and just keep grinding it out, you'll face alot of suck outs due to variance, but its part of poker, just gotta accept it and not let it affect your game. GL.

El Chupa Nibre
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You say you're not having much luck. Poker is not about luck. Haven't you heard? Smile It does help to run good - but still - it's not about luck.

You say

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"My cards are continuosly bad or definately not strong enough to forever go all in, like these guys want me to"
Who are these guys that want you to go all in forever? Smile

Your message is a tad confusing.

1st - as pinkpantherr mentioned - stick to one game and try to get good at it. Learn, study, research, play, ask questions etc. It takes a while. But play only that one game. For at least a month or so. See how it goes. If you get better at it, if you like it etc. Different games have different approached. I know it all looks like poker but it's not all poker Smile Big

2nd - and I can't stress this enough: play within your bankroll! And I mean proper nitty bankroll. You can take chances later - but to learn and build confidence play within your BR. If you only have 200$ then don't play higher than 2$ SNG or 0.02/0.05 (5NL) cash games. If only 100$ then play 1$ SNG or 0.01/0.02 (1NL) cash games. Prove to yourself that you can constantly beat these low games and once your BR increases move up.

If you cannot even beat the 1$ SNG and 1 NL then what are you doing? And by beating constantly I mean play at least 500 SNGs at one limit or 10k hands at the cash games and show up with a decent +ROI.

I very often hear the cry of weak players of how they cannot beat the "donks" and the "fish" at the lower limits. Come on! If you can't beat the weak, easy to read, mistake prone, clueless low stakes player than how do you want to win against the tough regulars at higher limits? Ah ... you want to play against the donks like you see in the high stakes videos with triple barrel bluffs, representing a flush and he's calling you down with 2nd pair no kicker for all his stack? Excuse me - but that is YOUR mistake. You adjust your play for the fish not hope the fish will adjust his play to yours Smile Big

The benefit of playing within your BR is the suckout/badbeat whatever-you-want-to-call-it happenings (aka variance). They are part of the game. You have to learn to cope with it. And it's MUCH easier when you lose a 2$ SNG (or even 10 of them) from your 200$ BR then when you lose 5x 12$ SNG from the same BR.

And btw if you play 500 SNGs and you're just breaking even or losing overall - then you should seriously think there is a problem with your game and not with the "bad beats", "bad cards" and other people. Yeah I know even great players can run into long stretches of break even or losing - but you should still look at your game. Incidentally - your game - it's the only thing YOU can change at poker. The rules, the cards, the other players - that's a given Smile Big

But in all seriousness - it's a long process for the most of us. Not everybody gets lucky (ooops - luck again) and makes 30k from his first 30$ deposit (or whatever amount) like shawndeeb did. You need a lot of patience. You need to grind the low stakes. Then you move up.

You need to play A LOT.

PS. There are indeed certain times in a SNG/MTT when you have to close your eyes - don't look at your cards - and go all in. Because that is the best play given the circumstances. Not sure if that's what you are referring to when talking about "those guys that want you all in all the time" Smile

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Hi thanks for your comments,
I'm trying not to let it affect my game but i guess it has. I'll def have to start getting back in control of things, thanks pinkpanther.
El Chupa Nibra, Sorry if i wasn't very clear in my original msg, what i meant is i cashed out and closed down my old account on one computer and set up a new one on my new computer, but am now starting from fresh. I'm meaning luck when i've got the better hand on the flop and after i get raised all in the turn and river screw me. I'm not frightened of playing hands it's just that the cards haven't been going my way at all. Then alot of the time these guys keep going all in from the start and i'm not going all in with 3, 6 off suit!! I guess i should just play more, it's gotta start getting better soon!!! I was doing fine before and i just wondered if myb it's cause i'm playing in lower pay games.
Anyway Thanx x

Beachy Poker
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I play a lot of lower stakes games because of my bankroll (just finished 3rd actually in a 360 person tourney! Yay! Smile , and there are a lot more people who just don't know how to play and find it easier to get it all in preflop rather than try to make a good decision on how to play once there are cards on the table. You WILL get sucked out on many, many times by these guys but what I have found to be very useful in the lower stakes is to tighten up your game a lot but be willing to risk your stack with good starting hands. You are likely up against something like 10 5 suited or a trash A that they don't know what else to do with it. And the suck outs will get repaid many, many times over by the people who call their stack with nothing against your top pair or two pair just because they have a gutshot draw going on. Just don't let getting busted out affect your emotions. There's another tourney starting in a couple of minutes! Good luck!

aal727
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Beyond anything else enjoy the game. Poker emulates life in many ways especially in that nothing is gauranteed. Had an all-in with pocket kings smoked by a bluffer with 2 7 offsuit the other day. The chat was loaded with "lol's". I couldn't help but chuckle at the situation myself even if I was the guy who took the beating.

Like pinkpanther and El Chupe said - learn a game - be passionate about every detail and look at the tough lessons kind of like a tuition for higher learning. Recognize mistakes for what they are and keep thinking about the pieces of the game. Before you know it you'll be killin' it.

jaslusher
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Improvement in poker requires brutal honesty. You have to be brutally honest with yourself on how you played the hands and whether or not there was improvements to be made.

Let me start with a very clear example. You are HU in a tournament and look down at AA. The blinds are very high and your opponent pushes AI. What do you do? Of course that is a very easy, very cut and dry situation and everyone knows the answer: you push all your chips in the middle and hope for the best.

Let me give you a murky situation this time. You are at the bubble in a tournament and the blinds are once again very high. You are a midstack with about 15 big blinds and the short stack has about 5, the chipleader has about 50. You are first to act and look down at AA. You raise 3 big blinds and the shortstack pushes AI then the chipleader pushes AI behind him. What do you do? You are still mathematically favored to win, but if the chipleader beats you and not the ss, you are the bubblebaby.

I'm not going to answer that question for anyone, I'm going to let it sit because each player has to answer the question for him/herself.

Now back to the discussion of your downward spiral, are you answering these types of questions or are you shooting in the dark and hoping for the best? Betting on hope is a bad thing in poker and leads to loads of cash being lost. I believe that once you get your head back to knowing what you want to do and when you want to do it in a poker game, you will win more often than not.

stefan59
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Enough talk, watch the video's.
They a good investment.

Steve

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Thanks everyone,
I'm gonna watch some more vid's, and concentrate more on everyone else rather than myself. Think i'm letting the bad run get better of me and definately affect my confidence and play, I am concentrating more on myself than what others could have in their hands these days so your right there. You've all given me a real boost now and i'm really grateful...i'll let you know if it's helped on the tables too!!! lol.
I guess i just gotta accept that sometimes i'm gonna get bad streaks and it should be turned into a positive rather than concentrate on the negative, like you aal i've had quite a few of those hands recently an i took it to heart...not really thinking he's an idiot for going AI in the 1st place and rather about the fact that i lost.
Congrats beachy on your win...myb i'll see you on the final table soon lol.
Jas I've prob been getting tighter rather than anything...but i would've gone AI on your 2nd situation, thinking i could triple up!!!
So like i said thanx guys i'm def gonna take all advice on board an we'll see how goes
xxx