ak vs mp raiser late in mtt, shove or 3bet ?
playing in the midnight madness tourney on FT tonight, started with 2300 players, with about 185 remaining...blinds 500/1000 ante 125 eight handed
a fairly tight (17/17 over 25 hands..) player in the hijack position min-raises to 2250. It folds to me in the bb, I pick up AK. I have 1125 in the pot, and 15,144 remaining chips. I have a pretty tight image at this table, as the only hand I had played and shown down was A10 when I called a 3x all-in in a blind on blind situation 20 minutes earlier and won the small pot vs A7.
I decide to shove all in with my remaining 15,144 chips, he pretty much snaps it off and I lose the race. I know there's room for a 3bet here (to maybe 5800), in which Id be calling any 4bet shove. that would force him to the decision of shoving over my 3bet. he had 30,138 chips to start the hand, so he's got twice my stack. in his mind, how can he think he's any better than a flip against ak and once in a while aq. the rest of my range is AK, JJ+ and maybe sometimes not even JJ. thats 5 hands that im shoving here with, 4 of which he's crushed against and one which hes slightly ahead. its possible hes not smart enough to realize that. i think id rather have 3bet gotten it in, but im ok with the shove. if i win the race im not even thinking about it.
thoughts ???
perfect play.. ill shove there all day.... play for the win.. teh guy made a donk call.. bad luck..
i think calling AK oop is a big misstake (when you have less then 25 BB) .., you miss the flop 2/3 of the time and you fold to a c bet (maybe with the best hand).. so you lose 2 bb when you only have 14 bb left... when you do hit the ace you wont get payed much because the IR will prob fold to your (re)raise..
also most of the time when you do push the guy will fold and you add a nice 30% to your stack..
some of the time he will call with a AJ ore AQ or maybe a worse Ace (he is a donky after all) and you dominate him and double op!
and when he calls your shove with QQ ore a smaller pair you will flip for a decent stack..
so jamming it in was the best play you could made! gg !
How did the guy make a donk call? We dont know what hand he had. So...what did he have?
As for not getting paid with Ak in the BB if the Ace hits i disagree, firstly im not re raising his c bet, which hes bound to do if the Ace hits, im smooth calling and check raising turn.
sorry guys, Villain was holding 10-10
I'm NEVER flatting here oop. If I 3bet to about 5900 and he elects to call, I'm just jamming my remaining 9,000 or so on almost ANY flop.
I could have 3bet here, but I'm happy with my shove. he makes a pretty loose call against a range he is at-best flipping against.
also, he is risking half his stack on this at-best coin flip. I really dont like his play, but dems da breaks !!! gl at the tables all thanks for the continued input
My two cents...I'm NEVER flatting either. Not really deep enough to 3-bet, so I'm jamming. With shallow stacks, I don't want to play oop.
As far as the villian making a bad call, I think it's standard....I jam the AK and I call with TT.
Im not keen on the 3bet with 15BBs but then again, if i 3bet im jamming on almost any flop anyhow, you say that Villian is risking half his stack on a flip but you risking it all, you also know hes tight, more reason to flat with AK. I like the call here for two reasons, i either double up or lose a little, can maybe outplay him also. IF not you can make a meaty squeeze next hand or blind steal and hey ho your back to your 15k plus.
User #52344, you need to work on your game a little. your advice here is bad and makes no sense
Thats not very nice Steven? Why post if you are not prepard to listen to other opions? You ask for thoughts, thers only two options jam or call, what do you want to hear that you made the right play and got unlucky or that theres a posibility of another way to play the hand. If i had a bigger stack, say his size, id 3bet, if i had 10k id jam, 15k gives the option to call imo, especialy aginst a tight player who min raised expecting you to shove sensing he was weak. Im not saying your play was wrong im just justifying the alternative.
Personally, i just call one raise with AK. If theres a raise and call i usually
jam, depending on the scenario, but as a rule of thumb, i just call one raise with AK. I just got my stats for the last month and had AK 185 times and won 53% of the time. Its overplayed, far too often by myself and others. I think in your spot, a 3bet, call or shove are all perfectly reasonable options. Like you said so many players are not savy enough to pay any attention to table dynamics and theres the problem, im happy to see a flop here, if the ace hits, the last hand he will put you on is AK. I just follow Harringtons rule of calling one raise with AK.