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Its funny how one pot can define whether you have a good or bad session. In this case the pot happened to go against me and needless to say i wasnt hugely impressed. It went on as follows, please tell me if you would have played this any differently.

Blinds .02/.05 nl

I was dealt KK in the cutoff, UTG +1 raises to 20, mid calls, i reraise to 72 cents. UTG +1 folds mid calls.

Flop 736 rainbow. This person has tried to represent an ace to me before on a board of A77A, so i go right ahead and ship 2.20 into the 1.70 or so pot. (this has him covered)

He tanks for a bit and calls while typing what the hell. He flips A5 making him a 3.4-1 dog and he was getting about 1.8-1 on his money. He needs an ace a 4 or running 5s.

The turn brings the Ace which i even called i have to say, im running that good.
River bricks and i lose a 120bb pot. I am well aware its not particuarly big in terms of $ or even BB, but i cant help but feel tilted. The villain then proceeds to type YESSS, followed immediately by sorry. Class ^^.

I stopped pretty much straight after because i knew this would bug me and if i was thinking about this then i cant be thinking about the next hands. Finished down a very small amount after 1376 hands. and i shall probably play a session tonight. Would be nice to run at or even slightly over EV so i can make a real march on 10nl. Im going to go read the rest of Harrington on cash games, have fun guys.

Comments

The "YESSS" is definitely tilting, yeah. Good call stopping though for sure. One thing I would say is that, whilst harrington on cash games may be helpful, some of it is outdated and much of it isnt applicable to online. I assume by notation (MP1) that this is full ring?

Fwiw, your 3bet is waaayy too small this hand. Your 3bet should be $1+, i prefer something like $1.20 here especially if the table is fishy.

And how did you only have 2.20 behind on the flop? Was that his eff. stack or your own? You should always reload to 100 BBs ($5) whenever you fall below it.

The flop isnt scary at all; it's rainbow, you have position and you are confident your hand crushes his range. I dont like the overbet shove because I feel he folds too many hands that we beat. Sure, he called here with his A5, and this is a great result for us, but that's ROT and it'd be more optimal to bet like 80c into the pot and get the money in on a good turn imo. Obv if we know he's a total maniac then the shove might be justified but vs most players it just seems like youre losing a lot of value.

I think he proved he was a maniac with his call. His stack on the flop was 2,20 so i basically put him all in. The reasoning behind this was i put him on 1010-QQ. AA is a definite 4 bet shove. Just looked at HH and i repopped it to 84 which is almost a 1/3rd of his stack so hes getting pretty comitted with that. Table was 6 max. and i buy in for 50BB as im a bit short for the level (only 20 buy ins) and i want to move up fast. Hence my shortstack'y strategy. heres the actual HH
PokerStars Game #41641259973: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2010/03/24 17:12:35 WET [2010/03/24 13:12:35 ET]
Table 'Paaliaq IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: psfotea ($5 in chips)
Seat 3: The_Bruce102 ($3.01 in chips)
Seat 4: MaryJane2244 ($3.59 in chips)
Seat 5: henrycleaver ($4.82 in chips)
Seat 6: Germ@n@ce ($5.14 in chips)
MaryJane2244: posts small blind $0.02
henrycleaver: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to henrycleaver [Kc Kd]
Germ@n@ce: folds
psfotea: raises $0.15 to $0.20
The_Bruce102: calls $0.20
MaryJane2244: folds
henrycleaver: raises $0.62 to $0.82
psfotea: folds
LiamJoel*06* joins the table at seat #2
The_Bruce102: calls $0.62
*** FLOP *** [6h 3c 7d]
henrycleaver said, "i dont want a decison later on"
henrycleaver: bets $2.20
The_Bruce102 said, "what the hell"
The_Bruce102: calls $2.19 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.01) returned to henrycleaver
*** TURN *** [6h 3c 7d] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [6h 3c 7d Ac] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
henrycleaver: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
The_Bruce102: shows [Ad 5h] (a pair of Aces)
The_Bruce102 said, "YESS"
The_Bruce102 collected $5.94 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.24 | Rake $0.30
Board [6h 3c 7d Ac 2c]
Seat 1: psfotea folded before Flop
Seat 3: The_Bruce102 (button) showed [Ad 5h] and won ($5.94) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: MaryJane2244 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: henrycleaver (big blind) showed [Kc Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: Germ@n@ce folded before Flop (didn't bet)

my "i dont want a decision" pretty much announces my hand and he still donked, maybe pstars was punishing me.

You can't make a bet and justify it with information you got AFTER the hand, i.e. "I bet, and he called with this so it shows he is a maniac." That's just ROT and is akin to saying I won the hand therefore i played it right.

Also you're contradicting yourself if you're saying that a) he's a maniac but then that Glasses his range for calling a 3bet is only TT-QQ, lol. His range is clearly far, far wider than this and includes a whole host of hands that miss or only half-hit that flop.

Putting him on TT-QQ isnt a reason for overbet shoving anyway - this is very woolly thinking. On that flop with stacks as they are the stacks are going in ~regardless - if you bet a reasonable amount he will definitely either shove over it or stack off on the turn with the overpair, assuming he wouldnt 4bet pre with a hand like QQ or JJ (which he likely would). You don't jam a hand because the top X% of the villain's range will call you, your bets should aim to extract maximum value from as much as your opponent's range as possible; i.e. getting calls from hands that aren't at the very top of his range.

You say that 82 cents is committing a lot of this guy's stack preflop. This much is perhaps true (he's committing just over 25% of his stack preflop, though, not "almost a third"), but you are ignoring the other player in the pot who is a full 100 BBs deep. This more than anything is the reason your 3bet should be larger - you have two players to deal with. You also have to compensate for the fact that you will have to play the pot OOP post-flop.

Stack:Pot ratio (SPR) is important to your raise sizing here too. Using your own point about the villain's 60 BB stack; if you raise more pre, to something like $1.10, then when the villain calls he will only have ~$1.90 behind in a pot of $2.42 and so its a lot easier to get his stack in on the flop because a shove from you will now lay him far better odds. The way you played it leaves awkward stacks on the flop where a shove has more FE than you'd like.

Apologies for these disjointed pieces of advice but i'm just pointing out many factors about the hand that you need to consider in a somewhat disorderly fashion :P

to be fair im probably not at my highest level thinking 1200 hands in to a session :P